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02 August 2008 @ 11:38 pm
Breaking Dawn, discussion  
After 13 hours and 24 minutes of voracious reading, I have AT LAST finished reading Breaking Dawn... and holy cow, what a day.

So, since this book is rather different from other Sparticus Ni sessions, I'm providing a number possible topics of discussion under the cut. Answer as many as you want, but feel free to deviate from them to go off on your own raves, rants, comments, concerns, and general squee-ing over Edward's magnificence.

1. Before you started to read Breaking Dawn, how did you think the series was going to end? Did you think Bella would become a vampire?

2. What did you originally make of Bella's reoccuring nightmares that featured an ominous child and the advancing threat of the Voltouri? Did you think it held any particular significance? What about when Bella's feelings toward the dream-child changed from horror to a desire to protect?

3. What was your first reaction when Bella realized she might be pregnant with Edward's child? Did you possibly realize it before she did? What did you make of Edward's petrified reaction?

4. Point of view shift?! How did you like hearing the story told from Jacob's perspective? Was it strange to you after listening to Bella's side of the story consistently for three books? Did you like this choice?

5. Bella's pregnancy felt like something out of a horror movie. How did you react to seeing our heroine so incapacitated and so stubbornly resolved to keeping her baby? How did you feel about Rosalie's protectiveness of the unborn baby and of Bella (...by association)? What did you think of Edward's desperate plea to Jacob-- was he overreacting?

6. Looking back, how clearly did Meyer set up Jacob's imprint on Renesmee? Did you think Jacob and Renesemee were a good match? Considering that it effectively solved all of the Cullen's problems with the werewolves, was it perhaps too good of a match?

7. What was your reaction to Bella's vampiric transformation? Was it what you expected? Were you surprised when Bella did not behave like a regular newborn vampire, but behaved shockingly like an "improved" version of herself? Did you feel she was improved?

8. How did you feel Edward and Bella fit into their roles as parents? Did you find the transition from "teenage lovers" to "dedicated parents" a hard mental switch to make, or did it seem natural considering the growth of their relationship? Were they believeable as parental figures?

9. Before starting the book, did you have a guess as to what Bella's "superhero" vampire power would be? What did you make of her sheilding powers? And what did you think about Renesmee's thought projection "superpowers"?

10. How did you take Alice's apparent disappearance during the Cullen's time of need? Were you surprised that she and Jasper cut-and-run? Did you think she had something more up her sleeve?

11. Breaking Dawn introduced a whole array of new vampires that Jacob felt he needed an index just to keep them all straight (lucky him, one was provided on page 756)!! Did you like the inclusion of these new vampire friends? Who was your favorite new vampire and whose "superpower" impressed you the most?

12. The final confrontation with the Voltouri. Was it everything you imagined? Were you hoping for something more climactic?

13. And finally, the ending. Were you pleased by the ending, where Edward, Bella, and Renesmee are united happily ever after? Was it a satisfactory finale to the Twilight Saga as a whole? Was there anything lacking that you might have added to make the ending more fulfilling?

14. Any other thoughts on the book as a whole? Any particular Edward (okay, fine, OR Jacob...) moments/quotes that were particularly swoon-worthy?
Current Mood: accomplishedaccomplished
Current Music: love letters, atonement
kylahbirdkylahbird on August 4th, 2008 04:57 am (UTC)
First of all I must say, Kirsten, I commend you on your ability to appear so neutral before the cut when I know you were actually seething while scratching out the pages of Breaking Dawn with your fingernails. Second is that I can't even believe that happened, that that book, nay, that abomination (much like Bella's baby) was allowed to happen. Yet in spit of all this I am not so much angry with Stephanie Meyer as I morn the death of her sanity. She has obviously become a raving lunatic or her mind has reverted back to the state of an “evil Slytherin” 13 year old.

Evil Slytherin- (n.) term from Harry Potter fan-verse indicating a “not a cool Slytherin”, a fan (usually sadistic young girls) who love characters from the house of Slytherin best not because they get a kick out of the antics of blonde jerks but because they want to do freaky things with them and find greasy hair sexy. i.e. the school’s color guard is full of evil Slytherins.

How lame was it when she added a footnote right in the middle of a story, lame as it was? I mean hello, do you want to remind me that I am reading a book anymore then you are already because I’m totally not into this.

1. I was banking on the possibility of Edward turning human again, I got the idea from another series that I read years ago where something very similar happened and turned out quite well. I guess after three books of putting it off and anticipation that it would be a maybe smarter and more unexpected resolution. I first thought I saw signs of it being tipped off when Carlisle mentioned that in his human life Edward had green eyes. I would have liked this to happen at the end though and maybe show him adjusting a bit in an epilogue, it would have been cute to see him acclimating to her world after she spent three books acclimating to his. I must say I would have farther preferred that ending or, as Kirsten said, having Bella be changed at the very end and seeing her as a Vampire in the epilogue.

2. I didn't really know what to think about the baby dreams, I feel like I was trying not to just because I didn't want anything baby related to spring up because there are just too many really bad fanfictions on exactly that subject I'm sure written by the kind of weird people I never want to meet. I guess that I supposed that the a baby was just something Bella would have to sacrifice for Edward and maybe it was a metaphor for her humanity and her anxieties about becoming a vampire. I must admit that I squealed when Edward said that he wished he could give her a baby back before they got married because it was sad and he's so considerate and I love that about him.

3. I realized for sure that she was pregnant when she picked the blue box out of her luggage. Then my reaction was "oh fuck, she can't be serious". Then I got really mad because it was so not in the spirit of anything I loved about these books. I realized that this was going to change everything and I was about to get majorly screwed. I also realized that this book will NEVER become a movie and all production will probably be halted after New Moon if they're lucky and that made me angry because Eclipse is my favorite. I had a plan, after Twilight they're budget would go up and they'd fire the psychotic director for someone who actually knows what they're doing (and isn't crazy)so by the time they got to 3 it would be awesome. So all that went up in smoke. Then I also thought how ironic that bumper sticker I saw on facebook the other day was: Edward Cullen can't impregnate me, but I'd let him try...again, again and again. By the way this all happened instantaneously.

4. Jacob is really funny so I liked hearing him though I still don't really like the fact that she added that. She had just punched me in the face with Bella's surprise and then she was going to switch it up on me and I was really needing familiarity at that point. As much as I like Jacob the whole middle part of the book WENT ON FOREVER and I plowed through it trying to get to the end, the rest of the book was like that for me I just wanted it to end.

Kirstenfreak4theater on August 4th, 2008 06:56 pm (UTC)
I had forgotten that Edward had said he wished he could give her a baby. Bet he wishes he could take that back now, eh??
kylahbirdkylahbird on August 6th, 2008 06:18 pm (UTC)
I don't care if Edward is a creature of the night, he KNEW that baby was a demon and then it went and voodooed everyone into thinking the loved it. No happily ever after there because the baby won! Now they will live forever under it's sick illusion!