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02 August 2008 @ 11:38 pm
Breaking Dawn, discussion  
After 13 hours and 24 minutes of voracious reading, I have AT LAST finished reading Breaking Dawn... and holy cow, what a day.

So, since this book is rather different from other Sparticus Ni sessions, I'm providing a number possible topics of discussion under the cut. Answer as many as you want, but feel free to deviate from them to go off on your own raves, rants, comments, concerns, and general squee-ing over Edward's magnificence.

1. Before you started to read Breaking Dawn, how did you think the series was going to end? Did you think Bella would become a vampire?

2. What did you originally make of Bella's reoccuring nightmares that featured an ominous child and the advancing threat of the Voltouri? Did you think it held any particular significance? What about when Bella's feelings toward the dream-child changed from horror to a desire to protect?

3. What was your first reaction when Bella realized she might be pregnant with Edward's child? Did you possibly realize it before she did? What did you make of Edward's petrified reaction?

4. Point of view shift?! How did you like hearing the story told from Jacob's perspective? Was it strange to you after listening to Bella's side of the story consistently for three books? Did you like this choice?

5. Bella's pregnancy felt like something out of a horror movie. How did you react to seeing our heroine so incapacitated and so stubbornly resolved to keeping her baby? How did you feel about Rosalie's protectiveness of the unborn baby and of Bella (...by association)? What did you think of Edward's desperate plea to Jacob-- was he overreacting?

6. Looking back, how clearly did Meyer set up Jacob's imprint on Renesmee? Did you think Jacob and Renesemee were a good match? Considering that it effectively solved all of the Cullen's problems with the werewolves, was it perhaps too good of a match?

7. What was your reaction to Bella's vampiric transformation? Was it what you expected? Were you surprised when Bella did not behave like a regular newborn vampire, but behaved shockingly like an "improved" version of herself? Did you feel she was improved?

8. How did you feel Edward and Bella fit into their roles as parents? Did you find the transition from "teenage lovers" to "dedicated parents" a hard mental switch to make, or did it seem natural considering the growth of their relationship? Were they believeable as parental figures?

9. Before starting the book, did you have a guess as to what Bella's "superhero" vampire power would be? What did you make of her sheilding powers? And what did you think about Renesmee's thought projection "superpowers"?

10. How did you take Alice's apparent disappearance during the Cullen's time of need? Were you surprised that she and Jasper cut-and-run? Did you think she had something more up her sleeve?

11. Breaking Dawn introduced a whole array of new vampires that Jacob felt he needed an index just to keep them all straight (lucky him, one was provided on page 756)!! Did you like the inclusion of these new vampire friends? Who was your favorite new vampire and whose "superpower" impressed you the most?

12. The final confrontation with the Voltouri. Was it everything you imagined? Were you hoping for something more climactic?

13. And finally, the ending. Were you pleased by the ending, where Edward, Bella, and Renesmee are united happily ever after? Was it a satisfactory finale to the Twilight Saga as a whole? Was there anything lacking that you might have added to make the ending more fulfilling?

14. Any other thoughts on the book as a whole? Any particular Edward (okay, fine, OR Jacob...) moments/quotes that were particularly swoon-worthy?
Current Mood: accomplishedaccomplished
Current Music: love letters, atonement
kylahbirdkylahbird on August 4th, 2008 04:59 am (UTC)
9. Bella's power was lame, I'm sorry, and it was not very imaginative. Once again it was something out of a fanfiction that was not well thought out. Same with Renesmee (her name was not well thought out either, I just can't get over that. This is exactly the reason why teenagers should not have babies, they suck at naming them.) Just from the second Bella said she was pregnant I didn't feel like I was involved in the story like I'd always been, I felt uninvolved like I was hovering above it.

10. That was lame. Alice would never run and if she were to she would have been way more impressive coming back. She would have saved them in an epic battle, not just show up at the end up the anticlimactic pow-wow.

11. See note above. So unnecessary...

12. I was hoping at least for a fight, some action, some excitement because at that point of the book I just wanted it to end. They just talk and walk away, it should have been epic. They didn't even resolve the conflict with the Voltouri which was the whole point of the book because that was the only legitimate reason for having a number 4, but of course it was only so Jacob could get a girlfriend. Not that it mattered much anymore because there was no coming back from the whole baby thing.

13. Way too happy ever after in a sickening way with the little family in their quaint little cottage covered in flowers and sparkles and crap. Like I said, NO balance. I know it's gunna make some weirdos reeeeeeally happy but I just wanted to throw up. I've seen Bella do it enough times. The only thing that could make me happy was forgetting that that "thing" existed and thinking about how sweet it would be to get to make out with Edward for the rest of eternity.

14. My favorite part of the book, way back in the beginning before it all went wrong was when Bella and Edward were laying in bed being cute and them Emmet and Jasper (or Em and Jazz as they became and where did that come from because once it started it was like they were renamed, problem) busted through the window and dragged Edward off to his bachelor party.

Overall I was just plain disappointed. I really don't know what Stephanie Meyer was thinking. I would love nothing more than to hop in the TARDIS with the Doctor, go back to the second after Meyer penned the words "I think I'm pregnant" jump out, slap her across the face and yell "BAD!" pointing my finger in her face. Then the Doctor says something witty and we run back in the TARDIS and vorp away before she even realizes what happened. That would save me so much grief. Because really it didn't even feel like I was reading a Twilight book.

I have a solution though, Breaking Dawn does not exist, very much in the way that Pirates 3 does not exist. I will not let this ruin Twilight for me or ruin Edward. Defend against fools! That's more than a motto, it's a promise. Sisters! (until we can get some brothers) I call you to arms, erase this abomination from your minds for the sake of as all, erase it from history and let us be left with what was good because this is for the communal good.

How someone on such a roll could go so wrong when they were almost cemented to the right direction I'll never know. All I do know is that somewhere JKR is laughing.
ringbearer_89ringbearer_89 on August 4th, 2008 02:50 pm (UTC)
My guess is that her publishers didn't even read the thing. They were like, okay, lets see how many gullible teenagers we can get to stuff our pockets with money when they buy this thing.

In my mind, Breaking Dawn was just some weird nightmare I had and will not remember in a few weeks time.
Kirstenfreak4theater on August 4th, 2008 07:06 pm (UTC)
Seriously-- her publisher's CAN'T have read this. Otherwise, they are far more to blame that Stephenie. Because those fiends were the ones to be like, "Bella get's pregnant. Oh COOL. Yes. Write that. It's perfect.... wait, you say there's no fight at the end? Well, that's okay, Steph. Bella has a baby and Jacob imprints on it. So that's fine. What are you still standing here for-- get to it!!"

It makes me want to cry.
kylahbirdkylahbird on August 6th, 2008 06:29 pm (UTC)
I'm wondering...Is Forever Dawn the key? The original epic 700+ page novel that Stephanie wrote for her sister's birthday? She wrote it after New Moon and it was supposed to be the original conclusion to the series but she said that in writing it she "forgot what audience I was writing for" and ended up writing Eclipse and then eventually Breaking Dawn to replace it. Is Forever Dawn the book we were waiting for and never got? Is that where she put all her time and effort so that by the time she got to number four she felt like she was re-writing and didn't put as much heart in it? Or did she write Forever Dawn which she already admitted was wrong for her audience and then when faced with re-writing it she just couldn't do it and stuck too much to the content of a book that she recognized could not be published?

On the FAQ page of her website she said that she was thinking of posting Forever Dawn on her website when Eclipse was out...but that was back when Eclipse was the last book in the series. If she keeps good on her promise maybe we can test this theory out. I want her to post it! I want this to be the missing link, the book we were supposed to get but didn't because it was maybe a little too racy!
ringbearer_89ringbearer_89 on August 6th, 2008 10:32 pm (UTC)
Or Breaking Dawn could be Forever Dawn...I read somewhere on Entertainment Weekly's website that Stephenie Meyer wrote a sequel to Twilight that she never showed to anyone, but she said that she put parts of it into Breaking Dawn..maybe the whole pregnancy storyline was the part where she "forgot what audience [she] was writing for." And then she was just like f-it. I'm going for it...and then failed miserably...
Kirstenfreak4theater on August 9th, 2008 05:41 pm (UTC)
That sounds verrrrry plausible. And yet still painful.
I would like her to post Forever Dawn too. Then at least we could have something to compare it to.