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17 August 2008 @ 10:30 am
Dorian Gray, discussion one: ch. 1-6  
Esteemed members of Sparticus Ni, I would like to welcome you back to our first official-like discussion post for a while now. I hope everyone is enjoying their last days of summer as much as I have been and I hope you all made good on our hiatus and read some good books! If there was anything in particular be sure to tell us!

So now let's get on to our
I've really enjoyed this book so far I know I have a lot to say but what about you?

1. Okay, by now we are all aware that The Picture of Dorian Gray is being turned into a movie with our very own Ben Barns (and in a small part Max Irons, squee!) so when I started to read I could not help but creating my own cast. So far, who would you cast as who and why?

2. Oscar Wilde is primarily a playwrite and a poet as well, he gave us such works as The Importance of Being Earnest and Lady Windimere's Fan, how do you think this affects his ability as a novelist whethere good, bad or not at all?

3. What did you think of Dorian when you finally got to meet him after hearing such things about him from Basil for a whole chapter and what did you think of Sybil after hearing about her from Dorian? Why do you think Wilde did this, how do you think it affect our opinion of his characters?

4. I think it's safe to say that we all know this book is going to start getting rather gloomy, but looking at him now do you think Dorian has any redeaming qualities that could save him if he just holds on to them or is he just too moldable?

5. The back of my edition has some notes on the chapters: The name "Dorian" itself recalls one of the major anchient Greek peoples. Images of Greece also allow Wilde and mant other male aestheticists of the time to deploy a subtextual homoeroticism. How acurate do you find this?

6. Shakespeare said "all the world is a stage" but Mrs. Vane seems to take it past the limit. Do you think she has Sybil's best interests in mind and based on the knowledge of her failed relationship with a rich man what to do think will become of Sybil and Dorian? 
 
 
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kylahbirdkylahbird on August 19th, 2008 06:35 am (UTC)
1. As Kirsten stated before, my pick for Dorian Gray is Ed Speleers. I couldn't really help it, he just popped into my head which is weird because I normally just create someone in my mind based on character descriptions. I too see Rupert Everett as Harry because of his role as Algernon. I imagined though, Basil as someone younger, someone more Harry's age, maybe someone like...I'm not sure because I have "mind" Basil so stuck in there...and for some reason after I read Sybil's description I thought of Anna Popplewell from Narnia (probably because Ben Barns is in that movie). Sybil's mom could be Helena Bonham Carter, she's crazy.

2. I really noticed how lyrical everyone is when they talk in this book, I feel like I am reading a play and I rather like it. In fact it makes me want to read a play. It just adds something and the eloquence of its characters is surely one of the reasons it is a classic.

3. I feel like in both the instances that we hear about characters before we see them their beauty is true to word but their personalities are weaker than the teller makes them out to be. Or maybe it is not that they built their personalities up but that in commending them on their other attributes make the reader assume that they will be of strong personal character. They both turn out a lot younger and naive than they sound.

4. When Dorian was telling Lord Henry about Sybil it seemed as if he was coming out from under his glamorous sin spell and that love would save him if he just held on to it. But I'm not so sure because Dorian seems pretty impressionable and kind of really stupid sometimes. I think if the kid had more of a backbone and better friends he would be okay. He's a little too much of a sponge to stand up on his own two feet.

5. Basil is in love with Dorian, Dorian idolizes Harry, Harry is in love with himself. It's interesting about the Greek thing because in my art history class we learned about how old Greek masters would often take young male apprentices and have a homosexual relationship with them almost as a part of their tutelage. You get undertones of that here only Basil is being denied and Harry accepted by the student rather than the other way around. It's almost like Dorian is having a love affair with Harry's philosophy of life.

6. I don't think that Lord Harry is Sybil and Jim's father because I'm pretty sure I read him being referred as a young man and he would be too old to be the father. I do sort of suspect however that we will meet the father whoever he turns out to be whether we have seen him yet or not. Maybe he is Harry's old bachelor uncle?